Dead babies, do they automatically go to heaven?.
Where do babies, born and unborn, go when they die?
Does it make any difference what their parents believe? Here are some questions and answers.Dead Babies, What does God's word say about young Children? Is there any reason to be concerned? Does this include in vitro fertilization (egg and sperm united outside a living person)? Are these lives God would require us to rescue?
Does it make any difference what their parents believe? Here are some questions and answers.Dead Babies, What does God's word say about young Children? Is there any reason to be concerned? Does this include in vitro fertilization (egg and sperm united outside a living person)? Are these lives God would require us to rescue?
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Dead babies, do they all automatically go to heaven, 2 or 3 pages, 13 scriptures, 2025Jan09
Dear Christians, Skeptics and Unbelievers Do All Dead babies automatically go to heaven?
Are we who proclaim to be against abortion-child-killing lacking in action because we believe things that may not be so? Here I give 13 scripture passages to answer this skeptic's questions. Page 1 of 3
Yes God will always do what is right!!! We can always trust that he will, but his thoughts are not the same as our thoughts, But he will always be right. Will we trust him? Gen 18:23 And Abraham said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? God never said he was going to destroy the righteous, He did say he would spare the city for as few as 10 righteous
How would you answer this Skeptic's questions?
“Do you think all dead babies and fetuses go to heaven or hell?”
“If heaven, how do you counter the "we should kill all babies" argument?”
“If hell, how do you justify God throwing babies to hell?”
( This Skeptic's Questions and arguments on page 3 at the end of this document)
Tony Walker replies with 13 scripture passages:
Dear Skeptic, you present your question as someone who wants to know the truth. By your statement “What kind of a God would do that?” you seem to expect God to be good. That is a very good starting point.
God's word applies to everyone!
Do All dead babies automatically go to heaven?
What a lovely idea. Would a loving and merciful God do anything other?
Is there any possibility that any babies that die could end up in hell?
How is it possible to know? Scripture is my basis of knowing about Heaven, and who goes there, about God, and who he is, about Angels, and their role, and about hell, and who goes there, and devils. Scripture is how we should establish what we believe, and not base our beliefs on arguments of men.
So from the scriptures I present, yes there is provision made for all people even babies and the answer to killing babies, that You asked for. And you decide weather I am making a reasonable scriptural argument. Thanks for your time and thoughts
God's hates "hands that shed innocent blood" Prov 6:16,17 and killing children obviously counts as doing so, and he considered child sacrifice to be abominable. Jeremiah 19:4-5 ... Thus saith God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle. Because they have forsaken me, ... and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; 5 They ... burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind.
(the word “innocents ” here does not mean without sin, It only means it is sin to kill them. )
13 Examples from scripture:
Unclean, Do unclean children go to heaven ?
1. Eph 5:5 no unclean person, ...hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
1Corinthians 7:14 talks about the young ones.
2. 1Cor 7:12-14 ... If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
God is recognizing the babies/young-ones as holy if there is at least ONE believing/born-again spouse in the marriage. This is definitely a Scripture that talks about babies/young-ones and only some being holy and others unclean, and this has nothing to do with any thinking or ability of the child to decide. (God can not accept any unclean person)
3. Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of God. I will also forget your children. (What else could be meant by “I will also forget your children”)
4. Many people will claim that what king David claimed about his child that died is what god will do for all dead babies, BUT David's child is an example of a child of a God-believing person, not an unbeliever. 2Sam 12:23 And Just like King David, by Believing in God and Repenting of sin, you can expect to see your young child in heaven.
5. God saved the righteous, only 4 people, out of Sodom, Gomorrah, and all the other cities of the plain not one unbeliever's baby or child . Gen 19:1-29 (Surely there must have been children and babies in those cities.)
6. Daniel's false accusers' children got the punishment that the fathers got. God, Danial, or the king did not save the children from the lions when they all got tossed into the lions' den. Dan 6:24 (Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent)
7. Moses and/or God made no attempt to save the lives of Korah's, Dathan's, and Abiram's children as the earth opened up and they all perished together with their parents. Num 16:26-33 (Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent)
8. Ezek 9:6 Slay utterly the old man, the young man and the virgin, and little children and women; ... 10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have z, but I will recompense their way upon their head.
(Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent)
9. Hos 2:4-5 And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms. 5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully: ( How does this fit with Adulteres Marriages? )
10. Numbers 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.
11. This teaching of Jesus: The man owed ten thousand talents commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and His Children. Matt. 18:24-34 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? (Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent) (Can that which God has forgiven us of be re-unforgiven ?)
12. Jonah 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than 120,000 persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand ...? (Whoever this 120,000 people is talking about, Babies, children, or people who just don't know, it is saying that if God does destroys this city these people will not be rescued from that destroction. And if they would automaticly go to heaven then why is God concered about them?)
13. Matt 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them. 14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. Mark 10:13; Luke 18:15 (Most likely the people bringing the Little Children are Parents who believe in Christ)
So my Conclusion is: From the scriptures I presented, “Yes there is God's provision made for all people, even babies, and the answer to killing babies”, that the Skeptic asked for. Scripture seems to say that young-ones will suffer the same fate as their parents. If so it is even more important what parents choose and teach their children.
My Study of IVF Success Rates, cost, drugs, and procedure : https://mercy-1-today.weebly.com/in-vitro-fertilization-ivf.html I believe this also can be applied to in vitro fertilization. Taking another's seed into your body, is this not the very essence of adultery? Are Christians and others having extra children created (extra eggs fertilized), because of cost, and then not taking care of those children and leaving them to be killed or sold? And having multiple fertilized eggs implanted so they can then kill/abortion-murder any they see as not wanted, all to save extra expense $$$? And then again anyone who thinks they want to rescue one, do they now pick a most wanted one? Or the weakest one? Is it important to know the health and genetics of the "parents"? The more I think about it the more I am thinking it is all about not trusting God for him to give children, and using this as a convenient bypass to pick out your own children, under the pretense of rescuing a child. For a lot more detail go to my Study of IVF Success Rates, cost, drugs, and procedure : https://mercy-1-today.weebly.com/in-vitro-fertilization-ivf.html
Additional bible studies that challenge predominant thinking:
https://whatismarriagetonywpiano.weebly.com/uploads/3/0/0/0/3000147/01_bible_changes_niv_w-intro_2017-1-7ymd_who_fell_from_heaven_yellow.pdf
https://marriage.as4u.us/what-moses-said.html What Is Marriage what moses said about divorce, not commonly taught
http://whatismarriagetonywpiano.weebly.com/does-the-bible-you-read-make-any-difference.html
https://whatismarriagetonywpiano.weebly.com/blog-letter-about-my-apathy-tony-walkers-1-of--3-a-tale-of-two-dogs
All above (Page 1&2) is my scriptural response in answer to: Do All Dead babies automatically go to heaven?
Below is the Skeptic's questions and His arguments: Questions: S.P.Requiem Aug 25, 2016.
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Skeptic's questions and His arguments:
Do dead babies and fetuses automatically go to heaven?
It's said in the bible that all humans are born sinful, and should obtain salvation by believing in Jesus in order to go to heaven.
Which babies and fetuses clearly can't do.
So does that mean all dead babies and fetuses go to hell?
If so, then what's the point of their existence? They were created for the sole purpose to die an agonizing death then suffer eternal hell fire for no reason.
What kind of a God would do that?
To counter this horrifying conclusion, Christians invented the concept of "age of accountability (and how old is that exactly?)". Which is nowhere to be found in the bible by the way.
They said that babies and toddlers before that age who can't make their own decisions, would go straight to heaven when they die.
Sounds pretty nice, right? But wait, that means it is only when people reach that age that they take the burden of sin and has the ticket to hell, and the majority of them do end up there. (Based on the fact that only 31% of the world population are Christians.)
Before age of accountability: 100% heaven.
After age of accountability: 31% heaven, 69% hell.
Adding that a few decades of life in this world is literally nothing compare to the afterlife of eternity.
Isn't the logical conclusion be: We should kill all the babies and fetuses before they reach the age of accountability?
Now, do you think dead babies and fetuses go to heaven or hell?
If heaven, how do you counter the "we should kill all babies" argument?
If hell, how do you justify God throwing babies to hell?
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After reading Tony Walker's Answers on page 1 and 2 to this Skeptic's questions and arguments, you should be able to see the skeptic's reasoning does not fit scripture and is not the God of the bible.
Dear Christians, Skeptics and Unbelievers Do All Dead babies automatically go to heaven?
Are we who proclaim to be against abortion-child-killing lacking in action because we believe things that may not be so? Here I give 13 scripture passages to answer this skeptic's questions. Page 1 of 3
Yes God will always do what is right!!! We can always trust that he will, but his thoughts are not the same as our thoughts, But he will always be right. Will we trust him? Gen 18:23 And Abraham said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? God never said he was going to destroy the righteous, He did say he would spare the city for as few as 10 righteous
How would you answer this Skeptic's questions?
“Do you think all dead babies and fetuses go to heaven or hell?”
“If heaven, how do you counter the "we should kill all babies" argument?”
“If hell, how do you justify God throwing babies to hell?”
( This Skeptic's Questions and arguments on page 3 at the end of this document)
Tony Walker replies with 13 scripture passages:
Dear Skeptic, you present your question as someone who wants to know the truth. By your statement “What kind of a God would do that?” you seem to expect God to be good. That is a very good starting point.
God's word applies to everyone!
Do All dead babies automatically go to heaven?
What a lovely idea. Would a loving and merciful God do anything other?
Is there any possibility that any babies that die could end up in hell?
How is it possible to know? Scripture is my basis of knowing about Heaven, and who goes there, about God, and who he is, about Angels, and their role, and about hell, and who goes there, and devils. Scripture is how we should establish what we believe, and not base our beliefs on arguments of men.
So from the scriptures I present, yes there is provision made for all people even babies and the answer to killing babies, that You asked for. And you decide weather I am making a reasonable scriptural argument. Thanks for your time and thoughts
God's hates "hands that shed innocent blood" Prov 6:16,17 and killing children obviously counts as doing so, and he considered child sacrifice to be abominable. Jeremiah 19:4-5 ... Thus saith God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle. Because they have forsaken me, ... and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; 5 They ... burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind.
(the word “innocents ” here does not mean without sin, It only means it is sin to kill them. )
13 Examples from scripture:
Unclean, Do unclean children go to heaven ?
1. Eph 5:5 no unclean person, ...hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
1Corinthians 7:14 talks about the young ones.
2. 1Cor 7:12-14 ... If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
God is recognizing the babies/young-ones as holy if there is at least ONE believing/born-again spouse in the marriage. This is definitely a Scripture that talks about babies/young-ones and only some being holy and others unclean, and this has nothing to do with any thinking or ability of the child to decide. (God can not accept any unclean person)
3. Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of God. I will also forget your children. (What else could be meant by “I will also forget your children”)
4. Many people will claim that what king David claimed about his child that died is what god will do for all dead babies, BUT David's child is an example of a child of a God-believing person, not an unbeliever. 2Sam 12:23 And Just like King David, by Believing in God and Repenting of sin, you can expect to see your young child in heaven.
5. God saved the righteous, only 4 people, out of Sodom, Gomorrah, and all the other cities of the plain not one unbeliever's baby or child . Gen 19:1-29 (Surely there must have been children and babies in those cities.)
6. Daniel's false accusers' children got the punishment that the fathers got. God, Danial, or the king did not save the children from the lions when they all got tossed into the lions' den. Dan 6:24 (Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent)
7. Moses and/or God made no attempt to save the lives of Korah's, Dathan's, and Abiram's children as the earth opened up and they all perished together with their parents. Num 16:26-33 (Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent)
8. Ezek 9:6 Slay utterly the old man, the young man and the virgin, and little children and women; ... 10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have z, but I will recompense their way upon their head.
(Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent)
9. Hos 2:4-5 And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms. 5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully: ( How does this fit with Adulteres Marriages? )
10. Numbers 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.
11. This teaching of Jesus: The man owed ten thousand talents commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and His Children. Matt. 18:24-34 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? (Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent) (Can that which God has forgiven us of be re-unforgiven ?)
12. Jonah 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than 120,000 persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand ...? (Whoever this 120,000 people is talking about, Babies, children, or people who just don't know, it is saying that if God does destroys this city these people will not be rescued from that destroction. And if they would automaticly go to heaven then why is God concered about them?)
13. Matt 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them. 14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. Mark 10:13; Luke 18:15 (Most likely the people bringing the Little Children are Parents who believe in Christ)
So my Conclusion is: From the scriptures I presented, “Yes there is God's provision made for all people, even babies, and the answer to killing babies”, that the Skeptic asked for. Scripture seems to say that young-ones will suffer the same fate as their parents. If so it is even more important what parents choose and teach their children.
My Study of IVF Success Rates, cost, drugs, and procedure : https://mercy-1-today.weebly.com/in-vitro-fertilization-ivf.html I believe this also can be applied to in vitro fertilization. Taking another's seed into your body, is this not the very essence of adultery? Are Christians and others having extra children created (extra eggs fertilized), because of cost, and then not taking care of those children and leaving them to be killed or sold? And having multiple fertilized eggs implanted so they can then kill/abortion-murder any they see as not wanted, all to save extra expense $$$? And then again anyone who thinks they want to rescue one, do they now pick a most wanted one? Or the weakest one? Is it important to know the health and genetics of the "parents"? The more I think about it the more I am thinking it is all about not trusting God for him to give children, and using this as a convenient bypass to pick out your own children, under the pretense of rescuing a child. For a lot more detail go to my Study of IVF Success Rates, cost, drugs, and procedure : https://mercy-1-today.weebly.com/in-vitro-fertilization-ivf.html
Additional bible studies that challenge predominant thinking:
https://whatismarriagetonywpiano.weebly.com/uploads/3/0/0/0/3000147/01_bible_changes_niv_w-intro_2017-1-7ymd_who_fell_from_heaven_yellow.pdf
https://marriage.as4u.us/what-moses-said.html What Is Marriage what moses said about divorce, not commonly taught
http://whatismarriagetonywpiano.weebly.com/does-the-bible-you-read-make-any-difference.html
https://whatismarriagetonywpiano.weebly.com/blog-letter-about-my-apathy-tony-walkers-1-of--3-a-tale-of-two-dogs
All above (Page 1&2) is my scriptural response in answer to: Do All Dead babies automatically go to heaven?
Below is the Skeptic's questions and His arguments: Questions: S.P.Requiem Aug 25, 2016.
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Skeptic's questions and His arguments:
Do dead babies and fetuses automatically go to heaven?
It's said in the bible that all humans are born sinful, and should obtain salvation by believing in Jesus in order to go to heaven.
Which babies and fetuses clearly can't do.
So does that mean all dead babies and fetuses go to hell?
If so, then what's the point of their existence? They were created for the sole purpose to die an agonizing death then suffer eternal hell fire for no reason.
What kind of a God would do that?
To counter this horrifying conclusion, Christians invented the concept of "age of accountability (and how old is that exactly?)". Which is nowhere to be found in the bible by the way.
They said that babies and toddlers before that age who can't make their own decisions, would go straight to heaven when they die.
Sounds pretty nice, right? But wait, that means it is only when people reach that age that they take the burden of sin and has the ticket to hell, and the majority of them do end up there. (Based on the fact that only 31% of the world population are Christians.)
Before age of accountability: 100% heaven.
After age of accountability: 31% heaven, 69% hell.
Adding that a few decades of life in this world is literally nothing compare to the afterlife of eternity.
Isn't the logical conclusion be: We should kill all the babies and fetuses before they reach the age of accountability?
Now, do you think dead babies and fetuses go to heaven or hell?
If heaven, how do you counter the "we should kill all babies" argument?
If hell, how do you justify God throwing babies to hell?
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After reading Tony Walker's Answers on page 1 and 2 to this Skeptic's questions and arguments, you should be able to see the skeptic's reasoning does not fit scripture and is not the God of the bible.
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